on July 14, 2026
  • Hosts: Ed Jones (Owner – Nutrition World) & Clint Powell
  • A variety of topics all related to living a healthy life

Presented by: Nutrition World

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Broadcasting from the Nooga Dentistry Studio

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Production of: Whitfield Media Group

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Title: All about Spike Proteins with Dr. Glenn, Beyond Cholesterol & Better Heart Testing with Dr. Dearing


[0:00:00] – Intro: Brian Johnson, Longevity & Oxalates + Farmers Market

  • Light banter about:
    • Ed coining the term “peak span” and using it in interviews.
    • Ed’s social media success (8.3 million views in 90 days).
    • Joking about Ed doing a shirtless video and his bodybuilding competition and carb loading.
  • Ed talks about Brian Johnson (longevity guru who spends ~$2M/year trying to live to 120):
    • Johnson recently announced an autoimmune condition where his stomach is “eating its own stomach.”
    • Ed admires his data and “Blueprint” protocol but believes two key factors in Johnson’s regimen contributed to this issue.
    • Ed teases that one factor is excess oxalate-rich foods; the other factor is left as a teaser for Ed’s social media video.
  • Ed announces a weekly farmers market at Nutrition World:
    • Every Wednesday, inside the store, morning to mid-afternoon.
    • Run by a young family with clean farming practices and minimal chemicals.
    • Nutrition World does not profit from it; framed as a service to the community and support for small farmers.

[0:05:04] – Upcoming Guests, Ed’s E‑Books & Podcasts

  • Ed previews two interviews for this episode:
    • Dr. Glenn – testing and managing spike proteins.
    • Dr. Curt Dearing – discussing his new book “Beyond Cholesterol” and non-traditional views on cardiovascular risk.
  • Ed’s e‑books:
    • Six e‑books available on theholisticnavigator.com, including:
      • Quality sleep
      • Oxalates and pain
      • “Are You Sick and Tired?” (diet & overall health)
      • Oral health
      • Immune system
      • “Core Four” foundational supplements
  • Podcasts:

[0:09:26] – Interview with Dr. Glenn: What Are Spike Proteins & Why They Matter

  • Dr. Glenn defines spike proteins:
    • Discovered in the 1960s, normally part of viruses from nature.
    • Our immune system usually recognizes and dissolves natural spike proteins.
  • For COVID-era, lab-made spike proteins:
    • They are not recognized properly by the body.
    • They can persist and are not efficiently eliminated.
  • Mechanism (simplified):
    • Spike proteins interact with ACE2 receptors (“locks” on the cell door).
    • They unlock and open the cell doors, enter the cells, and damage/destroy cells from the inside.
  • Clint notes he never heard the term “spike protein” before COVID; Dr. Glenn explains:
    • Previously, they weren’t an issue because the body just handled them.
    • This is the first time in history we’ve dealt with lab-made spike proteins at scale.
  • Dr. Glenn stresses this is not simply vaccinated vs. unvaccinated:
    • mRNA vaccines were designed to produce spike proteins.
    • But unvaccinated people with bad cases of COVID can also carry very high spike levels.
  • His personal story:
    • Got severe COVID in Jan 2020, pre-official naming:
      • 2 weeks very ill on couch/bed.
      • 3 months to feel “recovered,” but that was just the start of long-term issues.
    • Over the next 3+ years, progressive cellular damage accumulated, leading to a broad set of symptoms.
  • Dr. Glenn’s symptoms when spikes were very high:
    • Whites of eyes turned gray, with burning eyes all day (constant eye drops).
    • Tinnitus (ringing in ears).
    • Cyclical rashes under armpits.
    • Burning nerves in quads; needed leg massage devices nightly to sleep.
    • Gout attacks (kidneys not handling uric acid well).
    • Venous congestion in lower left leg.
    • Severe fatigue, getting sick frequently despite doing everything “right.”
    • Developed endocarditis (inflammation of heart and valves); resting heart rate jumped from 55–60 to 80–105.
    • Subtle Bell’s palsy–type weakness on left side of face and brain symptoms.
  • Laboratory findings:
    • Test: SARS‑CoV‑2 spike protein antibody test (semi-quantitative).
    • Thresholds:
      • 1000: likely too high, potential cell damage.
      • 5000: “a whole other level of danger.”
    • His highest result: 11,694 (measured around Oct 28, 2023).
  • Progress over four tests:
    • 11,694 → 11,087 → ~9,950 → 8,905 (as of June 30, current year).
    • Many symptoms have significantly improved, though:
      • Heart rate better but not back to baseline.
      • Tinnitus persists.
      • Spike level is still high, so work remains.
  • Symptoms can vary dramatically from person to person:
    • Because spikes can enter different “doors” (cells/tissues) in different bodies.
    • One person’s profile may be mostly neurological; another’s cardiovascular, etc.
  • Dr. Glenn’s clinic policy:
    • He will not work with someone on issues like hormones, gut, or cognitive problems without a spike antibody test, because:
      • Otherwise they may be “paddling upstream” against ongoing spike-related damage.
  • Observation:
    • Many patients say: “My doctor says my bloodwork is fine,” yet they feel terrible.
    • Conventional doctors rarely order spike protein antibody tests

[0:23:01] – Managing High Spike Proteins: Testing, Risk & Protocol

Who Should Test & How:

  • Ed notes frequent COVID infections (he’s had it six times) and that many people have unexplained symptoms.
  • Both Ed and Dr. Glenn suggest:
    • Spike antibody testing should be considered for anyone with mysterious chronic symptoms, regardless of age or vaccination status.
    • Testing can be done through labs like Be Well Labs (which Nutrition World works with) or other local options.
  • Reference values:
    • < 0.08 means essentially no exposure to COVID.
    • Out of ~130 tests Dr. Glenn has reviewed, only one person was <0.08.
  • Dr. Glenn cites data from cases where high spike levels were associated with death:
    • ~49% of these involved sudden heart attacks.
    • ~17% liver failure.
    • ~11% respiratory failure.
    • ~7% multiple organ failure.

Core Supplement Protocol for Spike Detox:

  • “Ultimate Spike Detox”:
    • Nattokinase – primary for dissolving spike proteins.
    • Bromelain – helps with clotting issues linked to spikes.
    • Dandelion, turmeric, and other supportive nutrients.
    • Must be taken 1 hour before meals or 2 hours after, so enzymes aren’t “used up” digesting food.
  • Additional supplements Dr. Glenn uses personally:
    • Ultra NAC (enhanced NAC):
      • Targets liver function, immune support, and mitochondria together; he feels plain NAC alone is less comprehensive.
    • Healthy Heart:
      • For heart muscle contraction/relaxation and reducing cardiac stress.
    • Mind Lift:
      • For brain function and facial nerve support (Bell’s palsy‑like symptoms).
    • D‑ribose, Hawthorn, Hibiscus:
      • Additional cardiovascular support to improve energy production and heart resilience.
  • Lifestyle & Detox Strategies approaches Dr. Glenn recommends:
    • Epsom salt baths.
    • Saunas and steam rooms (he has a steam room at home).
    • Exercise and perspiration.
    • Rebounding (mini‑trampoline).
    • Dry skin brushing.
    • Castor oil packs over the liver.
  • All aimed at:
    • Supporting detoxification pathways.
    • Improving circulation and lymphatic flow.

[0:32:01] – Interview with Dr. Curt Dearing: Beyond Cholesterol & Better Heart Testing

  • Dr. Curt Dearing (the “Green Pharmacist”) appears regularly on the show and now has a new book:
  • Origin story:
    • Initially tried to write a large book comparing “green pharmacy vs. big pharma”; stalled out.
    • Decided to narrow scope to a single focused topic – cholesterol and advanced testing – producing a 48–50 page, concise guide.
  • Purpose:
    • Explain why standard lipid panels are inadequate for understanding real cardiovascular risk.
    • Show which advanced tests to request and how to interpret them.
    • Provide natural supplement strategies for heart health.
  • Ed and Dr. Dearing challenge the idea that cholesterol itself is inherently “bad.”
  • Key functions of cholesterol:
    • Essential for cell membranes.
    • Precursor for hormones and vitamin D.
    • Critical for brain function, stress response, and energy.
  • Damage occurs when:
    • Inflammation and oxidative stress damage lipoproteins, especially LDL.
    • Poor diet and lifestyle transform helpful lipoproteins into harmful small, dense particles.
  • Fireman analogy:
    • LDL often blamed simply because it’s present at plaque sites—like blaming firefighters for being at a fire.
    • The real issue is damaged, oxidized lipoproteins, not the presence of LDL itself.
  • The book and discussion review statins benefits, risks, and overuse
    • Common side effects of statins:
      • Muscle pain (linked to elevated CPK).
      • Memory and neurological issues.
      • Metabolic effects (e.g., ~10% elevation in blood sugar).
    • Historical context:
      • When statins first appeared, pharmacists/doctors were urged to warn patients about muscle pain and tell them to stop immediately and call their doctor if it occurred.
      • Dr. Dearing notes that in the last 10–15 years, he rarely hears this warning emphasized anymore.
    • Serious consequences:
      • Persistently high CPK can lead to rhabdomyolysis, which can cause severe kidney damage and be fatal if ignored.

[0:43:12] – Advanced Cardiovascular Testing & Calcium Scoring

  • Dr. Dearing outlines tests he covers in the book:
    • ApoB – counts atherogenic particles; a key risk marker.
    • Lp(a) – largely genetic; important to measure at least once in life.
    • LDL particle number (LDL‑P) and particle size:
      • Large, fluffy LDL – relatively benign.
      • Small, dense LDL – more likely to lodge in artery walls and be dangerous.
    • Inflammatory and metabolic markers included in advanced panels.
  • He compares several advanced lab panels:
    • Vibrant Wellness Cardio Zoomer, Cleveland Heart Lab, Boston Heart Diagnostics.
    • Explains in the book what each offers and in what situations each might be useful.
  • Takeaway:
    • Standard lipid profile (total cholesterol, LDL, HDL, triglycerides) is not enough.
    • Triglycerides can still be helpful, but LDL/HDL alone are often misleading.
  • Chapter 2 of the book focuses on CAC scoring:
    • What it measures: hard (calcified) plaque in coronary arteries.
    • Interpreting results:
      • Higher scores = more calcified plaque and higher risk.
      • However, CAC doesn’t see soft plaque, which is more likely to rupture and cause acute events.
  • Ed and Curt’s perspective:
    • A CAC of zero is a very reassuring sign that there is little to no hard plaque and, by implication, likely low soft plaque.
    • But a rising score over time (e.g., from 0 to 30 to 600+) is a serious warning if lifestyle is not changed.

[0:47:46] – Natural Supplements for Heart Health

  • Dr. Dearing’s key naturals discussed:
    • Omega‑3 fatty acids:
      • Likely the single most important everyday supplement for heart health.
    • Bergamot:
      • His personal favorite for improving lipids and lipoprotein patterns.
      • Often compares favorably to red yeast rice in his experience.
    • Red yeast rice:
      • The natural compound from which the first statin (lovastatin) was derived.
      • Offers similar lipid benefits with a better safety profile than synthetic statins.
  • Additional supports:
    • Plant sterols – help lower LDL by competing with cholesterol absorption.
    • Garlic – cardio-protective effects (blood pressure, lipids, inflammation).
    • CoQ10 – critical for mitochondrial energy and especially important if someone is on a statin.
    • Magnesium – supports vascular tone, rhythm, and overall cardiovascular health.
    • Broad antioxidants:
      • Vitamin E, selenium, resveratrol, vitamin C, etc.
  • Dr. Dearing discusses vitamin K2, especially MK‑7:
    • Role: Directs calcium out of arteries and soft tissues and moves calcium into bone, where it belongs.
    • Benefits:
      • Helps prevent and potentially reverse calcification (hardening) of arteries.
      • Protects organs from becoming calcified.
      • MK‑7 is longer acting, staying in the body longer and thus more effective for ongoing calcium management.

[0:54:13] – Closing Segment: Philosophy, Stoicism & Wrap‑Up

  • Ed shares a Stoic-inspired reflection:
    • Story from Molly Bloom about wealthy high-stakes poker clients:
      • Despite their status, she wouldn’t trade places—they were on a “hedonistic treadmill” and never satisfied.
    • Stoic quotes:
      • Seneca: poverty is not having too little, but wanting more.
      • Epictetus: ambition can be a form of slavery.
    • Ed’s takeaway:
      • True wealth is having enough self-acceptance, focusing on what you can control, and what actually matters.
  • Clint adds:
    • “You’re not wealthy until you have something money can’t buy.”
    • Reminds that the love of money (not money itself) is the root of issues

 

 

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